2020年,Stitch Fix開始轉型,向客戶提供有趣便捷的購物方式,將個性化的衣服簡稱“Fix”送到用戶手上,然后用戶選擇留下哪些。
但該公司已經安然度過新冠疫情的關鍵時期,而且清楚自己的優勢。其優勢之一在于,公司能夠利用數據來快速適應消費者不斷變化的偏好,從可以立即丟棄的工作襯衫,到預測用戶解除隔離,擺脫無處不在的彈力腰帶之后究竟想買什么。
過去一年里,Stitch Fix的靈活反應能力推動其股價上漲了282%,從2020年3月的12美元左右漲到現在的48美元。股價上漲也讓創始人及首席執行官卡特里娜·萊克一度成為新的白手起家的億萬女富翁。
盡管萊克表示并不關注股價每日漲跌,但她很理解投資者看重公司哪些方面。“Stitch Fix的機會還在增加。”她說。
萊克向《財富》雜志講述了新冠疫情如何改變公司戰略、看到Bumble新任首席執行官惠特尼·沃爾夫·赫德取代自己成為帶領公司上市的最年輕女性感覺怎樣,以及必要的時候如何學會拋棄天生的實用觀點,多考慮大局。本文采訪內容經過編輯和刪減。
《財富》:過去一年里,你發現購物趨勢如何變化?你認為疫情之后的哪些趨勢將繼續存在?你如何調整Stitch Fix的產品組合?
卡特里娜·萊克:過去一年顯然挑戰很大。有好也有壞。不利因素在于,人們買衣服越來越少。很多晚餐取消了,旅行也放棄了,不過人們仍然在買童裝。我有兩個孩子所以清楚原因。孩子在長身體,需要新衣服。
男性和女性方面,疫情只是在加速原有趨勢。轉向網絡化的趨勢明顯。其中最突出的主題是服裝“隨意化”。我們發現買西裝的越來越少,夾克也越來越少,疫情確實加快了這個進程。男性的購物趨勢轉變尤為明顯,幾年前女性就開始購買運動休閑用品,男性(在疫情之前)買得并不多。
至于“我怎么能夠在周末跟上班穿一樣的衣服?”的趨勢將持續下去。這在本質上意味著即便疫情過去,也會出現更隨意的分類。人們會繼續選擇比休閑褲更舒適的褲子。對女性來說,休閑運動服裝銷量會繼續增長。不過我們很期待觀察世界在重新開放后人們的偏好。
你感覺會怎么變?
女性業務這塊,人們已經重新開始買衣服,男性很快也會跟上。這其中也有季節的因素,因為春夏季馬上就到了。不過我們真正的任務是傾聽消費者的聲音,提供想要的東西;我們不會強迫消費者,不會說:“這是每個人都必買的。”我們真心認為,業務是為了提供服務,不管用戶身在何處。因此,現在公司正加緊觀察用戶的狀態,才可以確保按類滿足需求。
在觀察期間,你覺得Stitch Fix的狀態如何?消費者偏好變化非常迅速時,公司能夠做到比傳統零售店更靈活、反應更迅速嗎?
我們的業務結合了電商和導航,關鍵在于為人們找到合適的東西。公司本財年前兩個季度的新增用戶數超過了2020財年全年。活躍用戶增長了12%。上個季度同比增長50%。所有數據都顯示當前商業模型很強勁。我認為,一旦人們發現可以方便有效地在家購物,優勢就會持續,很難走回老路。
我們的商業模式能夠更好地適應靈活購買的需求,我們利用數據來了解用戶需求,并實時納入購買和補貨模型中。如今,世界越來越不確定,但我們依據靈活的數據模型可以充分使用數據做出更準確的預測,這些都是當今世界非常重要的能力。
最近幾個月,Stitch Fix自有品牌的表現如何?
男裝和童裝領域的自有品牌比女裝多得多。自有品牌也能夠利用精確掌握的數據來了解尺碼變化,如果數據顯示應該推出不同的顏色或不同圖案,真正了解消費者的喜好和價格接受度,就可以迅速做出調整。就像童裝業務,反應就很快。運動休閑偏好的上升我們也及時發現了,這很了不起。孩子本來就經常穿休閑裝。但孩子不會像成年人一樣需要出席某些場合。此外,我們能夠迅速轉向。自有品牌的反應也很迅速,這絕對是一大優勢。至于我們根據需求開發的產品,則在這個過程中有明確的目標用戶以及相關數據支持。
今年你們的股票有所下滑。你認為投資者比較看重股票的哪些方面?對公司的看法呢?
我不是每天都看股價,不過我相信有越來越多的人會認同這是世界發展的方向。我們看到有預測稱,到2025年,服裝支出將有一半轉移到網上。疫情之前的比例大概在20%左右。對我們來說,這是巨大的轉變,也是巨大的機會。
我認為購物轉向網絡是永久性的,就像其他行業一樣。所以我相信今后Stitch Fix的機會越來越多。人們一直知道很多業務在轉向網絡,但估計沒有幾個人可以預測過去一年轉型的力度和規模。人們在展望未來10年、20年時會說:“哪些公司能夠成功?哪些公司可能機會不大?”我們的重點當然是數字化、網絡化,并主要關注個性化和服裝,這塊業務目前沒有其他公司在做。我們相信,10年后的贏家是了解你最喜歡哪些商品并可以提供優質送貨服務的公司。這正是過去10年我們一直努力加強的能力。所以關鍵就是未來的重點定位,以及堅信我們的模式能夠成功。
過去一年的發現有沒有改變長期戰略?
長期戰略的重要性提升了,我感覺一直以來我們的時間都用在了正確的地方。這其中有一些戰略性的推動。去年充分說明庫存保持靈活有多么重要。就在一年前,人們都不買男式襯衫了,人人都知道原因。然后我們加快庫存模型更新。現在,我們批發購買,零售銷售,這么做很棒,但如果供應商的庫存可以直接向客戶出售,我們就會受到限制。我們還沒有做現金預付,所以正在嘗試探索有沒有更靈活的獲得庫存的方式?庫存已經記在供應商的賬簿上,能夠讓我們直接賣給客戶嗎?這對供應商更好,因為我們可以幫忙清庫存,對我們也更好,因為收入會更多,對客戶也更好,因為選擇更多。通過去年的例子我們發現,這是重大且緊迫的機會。
今年早些時候,惠特尼·沃爾夫·赫德帶領Bumble成功上市,還表示你是她的導師。她搶走了你的頭銜,變成帶公司上市的最年輕女性。你是什么感覺?會甘心將頭銜拱手相讓嗎?
我很高興能夠讓出頭銜。這說起來有點復雜。考慮到現在全世界的情況,很難說我以前作為最年輕的上市公司女性首席執行官有多么自豪,我很高興跟她有這樣的聯系,同時也很難過,因為等了這么久才有人接過去。之前我就很想把頭銜給別人。很幸運接手的是惠特尼,因為我們的關系很好,她確實克服了很多困難。有時她也經歷過失敗。如今她成功我很開心,看到Bumble成功上市也很興奮。
在成立不久的上市公司擔任女性首席執行官方面,你給她提了什么建議?
我們談過很多。她也當了媽媽,所以我們談過育兒。看到她兒子跟她一起登上IPO舞臺,我感覺挺有趣。
我們討論過上市的利弊,如果上市做的每件事情都更公開。她在公眾視野中很久。但等到公司上市,你會發現很多事情根本無法控制。更重要的是真正弄清楚內部的口徑。上市之后新聞頭條會出現“Stitch Fix股價崩盤”之類的說法,而員工要有強烈的意識,要明白不管新聞怎么說都相信公司會成功。
人們常說,擔任首席執行官非常孤獨。環顧身邊就會發現,登上高位的女性是多么少,女性領導人只會更孤獨。對我來說,認識惠特尼有個好處就是建立了聯系也可以有更強烈的社區意識,感覺我們是盟友。
對于年輕女性如何擔任類似上市公司首席執行官,不管對惠特尼還是后來人,你有什么建議?
能夠走到這一步的女性非常少,所以你可以按照自己的方式來領導。最能夠引起共鳴的領導者是最真實的領導者,是人們可以感覺到聯系的領導者。女性尤其應該鍛煉真正的領導能力,因為穿上長褲假裝男性毫無意義。我們都能夠規劃自己的領導方式。
記住要強大,勇敢,有抱負。對我來說這有點難,因為我一直都很務實。我必須學習,我確實有遠大的目標,也確實有遠大的抱負,但如果不大聲說出來就無法帶領人們共同前進。我關上門研究財務狀況時可以很務實,但人們聚在一起奮斗是真正很酷的事情。帶大家共同奮進的力量很強大。
對于Stitch Fix,你學到應該說清楚哪些重要的事情?
我們把提供的產品當成建議,能夠采取多種形式。多數人想到Stitch Fix時首先想到的是“Fixes”產品,想到可以送貨上門的“fix”。但人們還有其他很多購物方式,其中有些方式fixes可能受限。如果你在想,“這周我想要一件非常蓬松的羽絨服”,fixes可能不是最好的選擇。此外還有鞋子和手提包之類偏好非常強烈的品類也不適合。
不過在其他方面,我們能夠介紹一些方式供用戶選擇,這是更有效的購物方式。目前的發展狀態是,我們意識到眼下是4000億美元的服裝消費大市場。Fixes當然是很棒的方式,這永遠都是重要部分。但我們如何刺激用戶沖動購買?怎樣才可以接觸到想對穿衣偏好有更多發言權的用戶?市場機會變得很龐大。我們對未來的市場機會非常興奮,也開始在外部分享。這也是在內部激發能量的重要來源。(財富中文網)
譯者:梁宇
審校:夏林
2020年,Stitch Fix開始轉型,向客戶提供有趣便捷的購物方式,將個性化的衣服簡稱“Fix”送到用戶手上,然后用戶選擇留下哪些。
但該公司已經安然度過新冠疫情的關鍵時期,而且清楚自己的優勢。其優勢之一在于,公司能夠利用數據來快速適應消費者不斷變化的偏好,從可以立即丟棄的工作襯衫,到預測用戶解除隔離,擺脫無處不在的彈力腰帶之后究竟想買什么。
過去一年里,Stitch Fix的靈活反應能力推動其股價上漲了282%,從2020年3月的12美元左右漲到現在的48美元。股價上漲也讓創始人及首席執行官卡特里娜·萊克一度成為新的白手起家的億萬女富翁。
盡管萊克表示并不關注股價每日漲跌,但她很理解投資者看重公司哪些方面。“Stitch Fix的機會還在增加。”她說。
萊克向《財富》雜志講述了新冠疫情如何改變公司戰略、看到Bumble新任首席執行官惠特尼·沃爾夫·赫德取代自己成為帶領公司上市的最年輕女性感覺怎樣,以及必要的時候如何學會拋棄天生的實用觀點,多考慮大局。本文采訪內容經過編輯和刪減。
《財富》:過去一年里,你發現購物趨勢如何變化?你認為疫情之后的哪些趨勢將繼續存在?你如何調整Stitch Fix的產品組合?
卡特里娜·萊克:過去一年顯然挑戰很大。有好也有壞。不利因素在于,人們買衣服越來越少。很多晚餐取消了,旅行也放棄了,不過人們仍然在買童裝。我有兩個孩子所以清楚原因。孩子在長身體,需要新衣服。
男性和女性方面,疫情只是在加速原有趨勢。轉向網絡化的趨勢明顯。其中最突出的主題是服裝“隨意化”。我們發現買西裝的越來越少,夾克也越來越少,疫情確實加快了這個進程。男性的購物趨勢轉變尤為明顯,幾年前女性就開始購買運動休閑用品,男性(在疫情之前)買得并不多。
至于“我怎么能夠在周末跟上班穿一樣的衣服?”的趨勢將持續下去。這在本質上意味著即便疫情過去,也會出現更隨意的分類。人們會繼續選擇比休閑褲更舒適的褲子。對女性來說,休閑運動服裝銷量會繼續增長。不過我們很期待觀察世界在重新開放后人們的偏好。
你感覺會怎么變?
女性業務這塊,人們已經重新開始買衣服,男性很快也會跟上。這其中也有季節的因素,因為春夏季馬上就到了。不過我們真正的任務是傾聽消費者的聲音,提供想要的東西;我們不會強迫消費者,不會說:“這是每個人都必買的。”我們真心認為,業務是為了提供服務,不管用戶身在何處。因此,現在公司正加緊觀察用戶的狀態,才可以確保按類滿足需求。
在觀察期間,你覺得Stitch Fix的狀態如何?消費者偏好變化非常迅速時,公司能夠做到比傳統零售店更靈活、反應更迅速嗎?
我們的業務結合了電商和導航,關鍵在于為人們找到合適的東西。公司本財年前兩個季度的新增用戶數超過了2020財年全年。活躍用戶增長了12%。上個季度同比增長50%。所有數據都顯示當前商業模型很強勁。我認為,一旦人們發現可以方便有效地在家購物,優勢就會持續,很難走回老路。
我們的商業模式能夠更好地適應靈活購買的需求,我們利用數據來了解用戶需求,并實時納入購買和補貨模型中。如今,世界越來越不確定,但我們依據靈活的數據模型可以充分使用數據做出更準確的預測,這些都是當今世界非常重要的能力。
最近幾個月,Stitch Fix自有品牌的表現如何?
男裝和童裝領域的自有品牌比女裝多得多。自有品牌也能夠利用精確掌握的數據來了解尺碼變化,如果數據顯示應該推出不同的顏色或不同圖案,真正了解消費者的喜好和價格接受度,就可以迅速做出調整。就像童裝業務,反應就很快。運動休閑偏好的上升我們也及時發現了,這很了不起。孩子本來就經常穿休閑裝。但孩子不會像成年人一樣需要出席某些場合。此外,我們能夠迅速轉向。自有品牌的反應也很迅速,這絕對是一大優勢。至于我們根據需求開發的產品,則在這個過程中有明確的目標用戶以及相關數據支持。
今年你們的股票有所下滑。你認為投資者比較看重股票的哪些方面?對公司的看法呢?
我不是每天都看股價,不過我相信有越來越多的人會認同這是世界發展的方向。我們看到有預測稱,到2025年,服裝支出將有一半轉移到網上。疫情之前的比例大概在20%左右。對我們來說,這是巨大的轉變,也是巨大的機會。
我認為購物轉向網絡是永久性的,就像其他行業一樣。所以我相信今后Stitch Fix的機會越來越多。人們一直知道很多業務在轉向網絡,但估計沒有幾個人可以預測過去一年轉型的力度和規模。人們在展望未來10年、20年時會說:“哪些公司能夠成功?哪些公司可能機會不大?”我們的重點當然是數字化、網絡化,并主要關注個性化和服裝,這塊業務目前沒有其他公司在做。我們相信,10年后的贏家是了解你最喜歡哪些商品并可以提供優質送貨服務的公司。這正是過去10年我們一直努力加強的能力。所以關鍵就是未來的重點定位,以及堅信我們的模式能夠成功。
過去一年的發現有沒有改變長期戰略?
長期戰略的重要性提升了,我感覺一直以來我們的時間都用在了正確的地方。這其中有一些戰略性的推動。去年充分說明庫存保持靈活有多么重要。就在一年前,人們都不買男式襯衫了,人人都知道原因。然后我們加快庫存模型更新。現在,我們批發購買,零售銷售,這么做很棒,但如果供應商的庫存可以直接向客戶出售,我們就會受到限制。我們還沒有做現金預付,所以正在嘗試探索有沒有更靈活的獲得庫存的方式?庫存已經記在供應商的賬簿上,能夠讓我們直接賣給客戶嗎?這對供應商更好,因為我們可以幫忙清庫存,對我們也更好,因為收入會更多,對客戶也更好,因為選擇更多。通過去年的例子我們發現,這是重大且緊迫的機會。
今年早些時候,惠特尼·沃爾夫·赫德帶領Bumble成功上市,還表示你是她的導師。她搶走了你的頭銜,變成帶公司上市的最年輕女性。你是什么感覺?會甘心將頭銜拱手相讓嗎?
我很高興能夠讓出頭銜。這說起來有點復雜。考慮到現在全世界的情況,很難說我以前作為最年輕的上市公司女性首席執行官有多么自豪,我很高興跟她有這樣的聯系,同時也很難過,因為等了這么久才有人接過去。之前我就很想把頭銜給別人。很幸運接手的是惠特尼,因為我們的關系很好,她確實克服了很多困難。有時她也經歷過失敗。如今她成功我很開心,看到Bumble成功上市也很興奮。
在成立不久的上市公司擔任女性首席執行官方面,你給她提了什么建議?
我們談過很多。她也當了媽媽,所以我們談過育兒。看到她兒子跟她一起登上IPO舞臺,我感覺挺有趣。
我們討論過上市的利弊,如果上市做的每件事情都更公開。她在公眾視野中很久。但等到公司上市,你會發現很多事情根本無法控制。更重要的是真正弄清楚內部的口徑。上市之后新聞頭條會出現“Stitch Fix股價崩盤”之類的說法,而員工要有強烈的意識,要明白不管新聞怎么說都相信公司會成功。
人們常說,擔任首席執行官非常孤獨。環顧身邊就會發現,登上高位的女性是多么少,女性領導人只會更孤獨。對我來說,認識惠特尼有個好處就是建立了聯系也可以有更強烈的社區意識,感覺我們是盟友。
對于年輕女性如何擔任類似上市公司首席執行官,不管對惠特尼還是后來人,你有什么建議?
能夠走到這一步的女性非常少,所以你可以按照自己的方式來領導。最能夠引起共鳴的領導者是最真實的領導者,是人們可以感覺到聯系的領導者。女性尤其應該鍛煉真正的領導能力,因為穿上長褲假裝男性毫無意義。我們都能夠規劃自己的領導方式。
記住要強大,勇敢,有抱負。對我來說這有點難,因為我一直都很務實。我必須學習,我確實有遠大的目標,也確實有遠大的抱負,但如果不大聲說出來就無法帶領人們共同前進。我關上門研究財務狀況時可以很務實,但人們聚在一起奮斗是真正很酷的事情。帶大家共同奮進的力量很強大。
對于Stitch Fix,你學到應該說清楚哪些重要的事情?
我們把提供的產品當成建議,能夠采取多種形式。多數人想到Stitch Fix時首先想到的是“Fixes”產品,想到可以送貨上門的“fix”。但人們還有其他很多購物方式,其中有些方式fixes可能受限。如果你在想,“這周我想要一件非常蓬松的羽絨服”,fixes可能不是最好的選擇。此外還有鞋子和手提包之類偏好非常強烈的品類也不適合。
不過在其他方面,我們能夠介紹一些方式供用戶選擇,這是更有效的購物方式。目前的發展狀態是,我們意識到眼下是4000億美元的服裝消費大市場。Fixes當然是很棒的方式,這永遠都是重要部分。但我們如何刺激用戶沖動購買?怎樣才可以接觸到想對穿衣偏好有更多發言權的用戶?市場機會變得很龐大。我們對未來的市場機會非常興奮,也開始在外部分享。這也是在內部激發能量的重要來源。(財富中文網)
譯者:梁宇
審校:夏林
Stitch Fix began 2020 as a company that offered a fun, convenient way to shop: get a personalized box of clothes, or 'fix,' shipped to you and choose what you keep.
But the company is riding out the home stretch of the pandemic well aware of its other strengths. Among them, the data-informed ability to adapt quickly to changing consumer preferences, from ditching work shirts on a dime to predicting what customers will want to buy as they leave quarantine and its ubiquitous elastic waistbands behind.
That ability to react helped push Stitch Fix's stock up 282% over the past year, from around $12 in March 2020 to $48 today. The surge made founder and CEO Katrina Lake, for a time, a new self-made female billionaire.
Although Lake says she doesn't follow the stock's daily ups and downs, she understands what investors are seeing in the company. "The opportunity for Stitch Fix is just increasing," she says.
Lake told Fortune about how COVID has changed her company's strategy, what it was like to see a new CEO—Bumble's Whitney Wolfe Herd—take her place as the youngest woman to take a company public, and how she learned to ditch her natural pragmatism, when necessary, to think big. This interview has been edited and condensed.
Fortune: What shopping trends have you seen over the past year—and which ones do you expect will stick around after the pandemic? How have you changed Stitch Fix's own assortment?
Katrina Lake: For obvious reasons, it's been a really challenging year. There are tailwinds and headwinds. And the headwinds are: people are buying less clothes. All the dinners we didn't go to, all the travel we didn't do—although people are still continuing to buy from our kids' business. I have two young kids, so I understand why. Kids still grow, and they still need clothes.
But for men's and women's, COVID is accelerating trends we were already seeing. Moving more online is an obvious trend that accelerated. But the biggest theme in the assortment is the "casualization" of clothes. We were already seeing less suiting, less blazers—but COVID really accelerated that. But particularly for men; women had started buying athleisure a few years ago, but men weren't buying as much [before COVID].
This notion of, 'How can I wear the same clothes on the weekends that I do to work?' is here to stay. Inherently that will mean we see a more casual assortment, even when things go back to normal. We will see people continuing to buy pants that are more comfortable than slacks. For women, more of the athleisure that is continuing to sell. But we're excited to see what people want when things start opening up again.
Do you have a sense of what that might be?
In our women's business, we are already seeing people starting to buy again, and I think men's will get there soon. And we will also have a seasonal component as we're going into spring and summer. But we really are in the business of listening to the consumer and delivering what he or she wants; we're not in the business of forcing it or saying, 'This is the thing everybody has to buy.' We really think we're here to serve people wherever they're at. So we're in a state right now of monitoring where people are at and making sure we have the right assortment.
As you monitor, where is Stitch Fix positioned? Are you able to be more nimble and respond more quickly than some traditional retail as these consumer preferences change really rapidly?
We're at this intersection of e-commerce and navigation—figuring out the right things for people. We've seen more new client additions in the first two quarters of this fiscal year than we did all of last year in fiscal 2020. We saw a 12% increase in active client growth. We had a 50% year-over-year increase last quarter. All of this is speaking to the strength of our model right now. I think that strength is going to continue—once you realize there's a convenient and effective way to be able to shop at home, I think it's pretty hard to go back.
Our business model is able to better adapt—we buy more flexibly and we're using that data to learn about what customers want and then incorporating that in real time into the buys and the replenishment models we have. The world has been increasingly uncertain, but our model of flexibility, based on data, and being able to use that data to make better predictions—those are really important skills to have today.
How have Stitch Fix's own brands been doing in recent months?
We have much more own brands in men's and kids' than we do in women's. But our own brands are using these exact skill sets—to understand how sizes run, if we should have different colorways or different patterns, really knowing what consumers want and at what price points, and being able to work that into it quickly. Like in our kids' business—we can react really quickly. Increased athleisure, we saw that in kids' too, which is kind of remarkable. Kids already wear a lot of athleisure. But kids, they're also not going to events like adults. And we were able to pivot really quickly there. It's definitely one of our towering strengths that our own brands are really reactive. And the product that we develop there, we're doing it with an end customer in mind with data to support that end customer.
Your stock was on a tear this year. What do you think investors are seeing in the stock? And in the company?
I don't watch the stock on a daily basis or anything, but I do think there's greater recognition that this is the direction the world is going. We've seen forecasts that say half of apparel spend is going to move online by 2025. Before the pandemic, it was in the 20% range. That's a massive shift and a massive opening up of the opportunity for us.
I think the shift to online is permanent, like in every other industry. So I believe the opportunity for Stitch Fix is just increasing. We always knew that shift online was happening, but I don't think anyone would have predicted the scale and magnitude of the past year. People are looking 10, 20 years out and saying, 'What are the companies that are going to be successful? Which companies may not be?' Our focus is of course being digital, being online, but focusing on personalizing and apparel, which no one else is doing. We believe 10 years from now, people who are going to be the winners are the ones that are going to be able to know which things you're going to love most and deliver that the best. That's exactly the capability we've been focused on developing over the past 10 years. So you're seeing a future-focus orientation and a belief that our model can be successful.
These findings over the past year—have they changed anything about your long-term strategy?
It's made our long-term strategy feel more important—like we're investing our time in the right places. We pulled forward some things strategically. The last year has shown us how important it is to be flexible on the inventory side. Just like that, a year ago, people stopped buying work shirts in men's—and we all know why. But we accelerated newer inventory models. Right now we buy wholesale and sell at retail, which is great, but has its limitations when our vendors have stock of things they could feasibly sell to our clients. But we haven't used cash upfront to pay them for it—so we're trying to explore, are there more flexible ways where we can access some of that inventory? It's already on our vendors' books, but can we make that saleable to our customers? That's better for the vendor because we can move their inventory, better for us because it's more revenue opportunity, and better for our clients because we have more selection. The last year helped us see that this is a big and urgent opportunity.
Earlier this year, Whitney Wolfe Herd took Bumble public and cited you as a mentor. And she took over a title from you, succeeding you as the youngest woman to take a company public. What did that feel like for you? Are you happy to pass on that designation?
I'm so happy to pass it on. It's kind of a tricky thing. It's hard to say I was proud to be the youngest one before because given the state of the world, I was happy to have that association, but at the same time it was so sad that it took so long. I was very eager to pass that title along. I felt lucky that it got to be to Whitney because she and I are close, and she's overcome a lot. She was at times a bit of an underdog. It was very fulfilling to get to see that happen and exciting to see Bumble do so well as a public company.
What advice did you offer her about being a young, female public company CEO?
We talked about a lot of different things. She's also a mom, so we talked about that. It was fun for me to see her son on that IPO stage with her.
We talked about the pros and cons of being public—that everything you do is more public. And she's been in the public eye for a long time. But when you're public, you realize there's a lot more you can't control. It makes it even more important to be really clear about the narrative internally. There are going to be headlines that say 'Stitch Fix stock unravels,' and our employees need to have a strong sense of why the believe the company is going to be successful, regardless of what those kinds of headlines say.
People talk about the CEO job as being a lonely job. And you look around, and you see how few women are in those public seats, and it's an even lonelier job. The benefit for me of getting to know someone like Whitney is having that connection and greater sense of community—feeling like we're in this together.
What advice would you offer about how to be a young woman in this sort of public company CEO job, whether to Whitney or the next person who comes along?
The fact that there's not a lot of women doing this right now—you almost get licensed to lead in your own way. The leaders that are resonating most with people are the most authentic leaders, the ones people feel a connection to. Authentic leadership is especially accessible to women because there's no point in putting on a pantsuit and pretending to be a guy. We can all chart our own paths of what leadership looks like.
And remember to be big, bold, and aspirational. That's a little harder for me–I've always been very pragmatic. I have to learn, I do have big goals, I do have big aspirations, and unless I'm saying those things out loud I can't bring people along on that. I can be pragmatic when I'm looking at the financials behind closed doors, but the things that people are here for are the really cool things we're going to be able to do. Bringing people along on that is really powerful.
For Stitch Fix, what are those big things that you've learned to articulate more?
We're thinking of what we deliver as recommendations, and that can take many forms. 'Fixes' is what most people have thought about when they think about Stitch Fix—they think about the 'fix' they get delivered to their home. But there are so many other ways people shop and fixes can be limiting for some of those; if you're thinking, 'I want a puffer jacket this week,' fixes are not going to be a great way to get that to you. And there are categories like shoes and handbags where preferences are so strong.
But those are ones where we can show you recommendations and you can choose from those—that's a more powerful way to shop. We've gotten to a place where we realize that this market opportunity—the $400 billion spent on clothes—a huge amount of that is available to us. Fixes are great and they'll always be part of the story. But how do we access more of that impulse buy? How do we access a client who wants to have more of a say in what she wants to wear? Then our market opportunity starts to look really big. We've been really excited about that opportunity internally, and we've started to share that externally. It's been a big source of catalyzing energy within the company.