????霍爾格?赫特森拉伯：在這張圖片中，父母顯然是從前排座位上轉過身子，面對著后排座位上的孩子。我們是在完成了自己的概念后才發現這一點的。

????這張圖片也帶來了一些批評，即F 015看起來更像是上世紀50年代人眼中的科幻產物，帶有復古未來主義色彩，而不是一個特別向前看的產品。

????亞歷山大?曼可夫斯基：我喜歡“復古未來主義”這個詞。我認為這個詞是從新甲殼蟲的設計師J Mays那里流行起來的。但在F 015上，我并不接受這種批評，因為上世紀五六十年代的汽車是非常保守的，因為當時社會的主流觀念是父親要坐在車子前排。你在迪士尼動畫中也能看到同樣的畫面。根據五十年代對性別的刻板印象，父親總是開著車子去辦公室而不是走路去，家庭主婦和孩子則老是去逛街購物。但我們的車型整合了人與人之間的通訊結構。它的設計更像是一款機器人而不是一輛轎車。在我們的愿景中，“機器人轎車”或“移動機器人”可以改善人們的互動。

????霍爾格?赫特森拉伯：在2012年的那次董事會上，其他團隊提出的概念都被董事會否決了。當我們進行展示時，董事會表示：“好，這個概念非常未來主義，我們相信這個概念。你可以走得更深更遠嗎？”就這樣，我們得到了董事會的批準，繼續我們的工作。

????奔馳F 015采取這種特別的外觀是不可避免的嗎？

????亞歷山大?曼可夫斯基：我其實更喜歡另一種沒有座位，但有可移動家具的內飾方案。那種方案沒有安全帶，而且只適合一個人乘坐。

????一個人坐這么大的一輛車？

????亞歷山大?曼可夫斯基：是的，一個人占有整輛車才是終極的奢華。你可以毫無限制地在車里睡覺。但負責安全的工程師給我們亮了紅燈，說那不是一個好主意。

????那個座椅是在中間嗎？

????霍爾格?赫特森拉伯：其實那只是一張巨大的床墊。

????亞歷山大?曼可夫斯基：想象一下，羅馬人肯定會非常喜歡它。

????霍爾格?赫特森拉伯：在所有創意中，我們選擇了兩個特別適合奔馳品牌的創意進行比較。其一是豪車型，我們也稱之為“未來移動休息室”，它最終演變成了今天的F 015。另一個創意中，車子的高度要高一些，它又叫“未來移動閣樓”。當時董事會選擇了“休息室”概念，因為豪車是我們的核心競爭力，奔馳就是因為擅長造高端豪華轎車而出名的。

????很多次我們回頭看以往的未來主義概念時，都會產生過時感。你擔心這種情況會發生在F 015上嗎？

????亞歷山大?曼可夫斯基：不，有些很好的未來主義概念即便在今天看起來也依然不過時。你不妨想想上世紀三四十年代的賽車，它們即便在今天看來也令人印象深刻并充滿未來色彩。當然，也有些未來主義概念在當時看起來就很難看，有人說十年后人們大概就習慣了那種設計，但真到了十年后，它們依然很難看。

????你認為這些元素會在2030年前出現在奔馳S級等車型上嗎？

????霍爾格?赫特森拉伯：當然。等到它的設計或技術足夠成熟，法律方面的問題也得到解決時，我們就會把所有的想法投入量產。

????亞歷山大?曼可夫斯基：花費了這么昂貴的代價，它不可能是一個游戲。（財富中文網）

????譯者：樸成奎

????審校：任文科

????HH: Obviously, mom and dad are turning around from the front row to face the kids. We found this after we completed our concept.

????BB: This picture brings up a criticism, that the F 015 seems like a futuristic vision from the 1950s, sort of a retro-futuristic image, rather than something specifically forward-looking.

????AM: I like the term retro-futurist. I believe it was a term made popular by the car designer J Mays, who designed the new Beetle. In this case, I don’t accept it because these cars from the ‘50s and ‘60s were very conservative, in terms of the social sense of a family with the father in the front. You see the same thing in Disney animations. You have the father going in this car to the office, but not walking. Instead, he takes just one step out of the car. The housewife and the children are going shopping according to the gender stereotypes of the 1950s. In our case, the vehicle is integrated with the fabric of communication between people. It’s designed more like a robot than a car. The robot-car or mobile robot in our vision can enhance how you interact.

????HH: When that board meeting happened in 2012, we stepped into the void left by the rejection of the other team’s concept. So, when we presented, the board said, “Yes, that’s very futuristic. We believe in that. Can you go further and deeper?” This is when we got permission to continue our work.

????BB: Was it inevitable that the Mercedes F 015 would take this specific shape?

????AM: I would have preferred an interior without seats, but with movable furniture. It would be without safety belts and for just one person.

????BB: One person for the whole car but the same size?

????AM: Yes, one person for the whole car would have the ultimate luxury. You could sleep in there without any restraints. But the safety engineers said no, that’s not a good idea.

????BB: The seat was in the middle?

????HH: It was actually just a huge cushion.

????AM: Think of how the Romans would have loved it.

????HH: Out of all the ideas, we choose two that fit specifically to the Mercedes brand. One was a limousine type, which we called “the future mobility lounge,” which led to the F 015. We came up with a second idea for a taller car, the “future mobility loft.” But at that time, the members of the board decided on the lounge because if we consider this to be a future limousine, that’s our core competence. Mercedes is known for building high-class luxury sedans.

????BB: So many times when we look back at futuristic concepts from the past, they look dated. Do you fear this will happen with the F 015?

????AM: No, because you have good futuristic concepts, which look futuristic even today. Think of racing cars from the 1930s and 1940s. They still look impressive and futuristic today. And there are futuristic concepts that were ugly at the time, and people said that in ten years, everybody would grow accustomed to the design. Ten years later, they were ugly again.

????BB: Do you see elements of this arriving well before 2030 in, for example, the S-Class.

????HH: Sure. As soon as the either the design or the technology is mature enough to be released, and the legal aspects are solved, we will let all this thinking go into production.

????AM: This is not a game. It’s too expensive to be a game.