????現在，80歲的西伯特仍經營著Muriel Siebert & Co.，這是她獲得紐交所席位時建立的證券經紀公司，有七家分支機構。控股公司Siebert Financial Corp.在納斯達克（Nasdaq）市場上市時，Muriel Siebert & Co.在廉價證券經紀領域處于領先位置。這家公司已今非昔比，其股票也鮮有交易，但西伯特在多數時間里仍然堅持工作，而且背后的電視總是在播放有線電視臺的金融節目。她的辦公室在曼哈頓中城，唇膏大廈第17層。最近西伯特在這里接受了本刊的采訪，回顧了她多姿多彩的職業生涯。西伯特的愛犬——一只名叫“母夜叉”的吉娃娃臥在她的腿上。她的周圍擺放著裝在鏡框里的雜志文章（包括本刊）以及她和多位美國總統的合影。西伯特談起了最近提到過的話題——承擔風險、女權主義、道德規范以及她的非營利性財務知識課程。現在這門課已經成為紐約市許多公立高中經濟課程的一部分。以下為編輯過的采訪實錄：

????和50年前開著斯蒂旁克到這里時相比，你長了些什么見識？

????我想我見到了形形色色的人，并且學到了許多有關人的東西，這些在克利夫蘭海茨可學不到。

????這些是好還是壞？

????嗯，人有好的一面，也有一些負面的東西。

????現在人們掛在嘴邊的是麥道夫？安然（Enron）？還是2008年的金融風波？或者都有？

????從商業角度講，這些都已成為過去，現在的問題不多。但公眾并沒有掌握他們應該了解的信息。市場成交量一再上升，透明度卻一再下降。正是透明度一直讓我們的市場與眾不同。現在華爾街的道德規范已經和我剛入行時不同。現在有離岸交易，有公開交易所之外的“暗池”交易。這不公平。

????你覺得這樣的變化是從什么時候開始的？

????15年前我就抱怨過，金融行業出現的一些事物無法讓人理解。比如衍生產品。有很多人都賺了大錢——而且他們并不是天才。然而，他們中的一些人卻敢自吹自擂：“我就是這么棒!”

????如果回到年輕時，你還會到華爾街來尋求發展嗎？或者你可能會開車到其他地方？比如硅谷（Silicon Valley）？

????如果有那種天分的話，我可能會去那兒。我是說，硅谷有華爾街沒有的機會。交易大廳這種東西如今已經不存在了。(財富中文網)

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????Now 80, she still runs Muriel Siebert & Co., the seven-branch brokerage house she founded when she bought her NYSE seat. The firm was a pioneer in discount brokerage, in time going public (SIEB, for the Siebert Financial Corp., on the Nasdaq). The firm isn't what it used to be and its stock rarely trades, but Siebert still is at work most days, with the cable financial shows always on in the background. In her 17th-floor office in the Lipstick Building in midtown Manhattan, Siebert recently sat down with Fortune to look back on her storied career. With her beloved Chihuahua, "Monster Girl," in her lap, and surrounded by framed magazine stories (including in Fortune) and photos of herself with American presidents, Siebert talked recently talked with about risk-taking, feminism, ethics and her nonprofit financial-literacy program that today is part of the economics curriculum at many New York City public high schools. Edited excerpts:

????What do you know now that you didn't know 50 years ago when you drove your Studebaker here?

????I think I've been exposed to a wide variety of people and learned a lot about people that I wouldn't have learned in Cleveland Heights.

????Good things or bad things?

????Well, there are good things in people and there are some negative things in people.

????Are we talking about Madoff or Enron or the financial meltdown in 2008, or all of it?

????For the amount of business that's done, there are relatively few problems. But the public doesn't have the same information it is entitled to. The volume of trades goes up and up, but there is less and less transparency. Transparency is what always set our markets apart. I don't see the same ethics on the Street as when I came in. They trade offshore, they trade in "dark pools" off of public exchanges. It's unfair.

????When do you mark the beginning of the change?

????I was complaining about financial things that I couldn't understand in our industry 15 years ago. Like derivatives. There are a lot of people that have made a lot of money -- and they aren't geniuses. And yet some of them just look at themselves and say, "I am the great I am!"

????If you were young again, would you still come to Wall Street to find your way? Or might you drive to somewhere else, like Silicon Valley?

????Maybe if I had the talent I'd go out there. I mean, Wall Street doesn't have the same opportunity. There's no floor anymore.